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    "hell is other people", sartre famously said.

    now imagine being stuck in hell permanently by your own choice. that is what twitter is. literally every second there is someone tweeting their thoughts about whatever, ranging from what they just ate to why trump is so evil. and every second your timeline is filled with these thoughts. and you share your own thoughts. which then get replies from these other people, if they were perceived to be interesting enough. and then you get into a discussion with these other people, and also anyone else who wants to join it. in other words, on twitter you are permanently sharing and viewing thoughts from thousands upon thousands of people and it's by your own choice.

    there are other factors that make it addictive, such as the likes and retweets, the former of which show approval from someone else and the latter increases the likelihood of you receiving approval. what is the underlying motivation of all twitter users if not to get some sort of approval for their thoughts? why else post it on a social media platform? so it is in the logic of tweets that they perpetuate themselves endlessly, but only because it is in the logic of social relations in a distorted society that approval from others is the highest form of social being.

    you do not learn anything of value from twitter. you only learn things you were better off not knowing, like people whose existence you would have been better off not knowing about (eg liberals in the anti-Semitism industry). you inflate their importance in your own mind by being aware of their existence whereas when you did not know of them you were closer to the reality of their social and political irrelevance.

    facebook is also hell, but it is a less permanent hell than twitter as it does not require a constant wave of thought-sharing.

    escape from the hell, simply by choosing it.
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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
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    Solution: limit the number of people you follow; I follow about 24. If anyone fills your timeline with junk, un-follow them.

    Twitter is brilliant, in my view. But, I only began to think so when I pruned the number of people I followed.

    And I learn something off Twitter every day.
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    How often do you tweet? If you use it passively, without getting involved in discussions with others, I imagine it can be a useful place to get information.

    But I was talking about (hyper) active tweeters.
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    I use it every day,many times a day. 11.5k in 4 years - I don't know if re-tweets are counted, but most of my tweets are re-tweets. I don't become embroiled in discussion often, since 140 words is useless in that regard. I learnt that early on.
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    I will post examples of why twitter can be hell: people whose existence I (and now you) would not have been aware of if not for twitter.

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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them.

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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them.

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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
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    Several people in this exchange are actual Stalinists who are totally fine with mass executions and Gulags:

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    The people at Chapo Trap House are comedians who sometimes refer to neoliberals as "crazy" so they are "punching down" and akin to alt-right fascists.

    That is the opinion of a guy with an anime avatar who believes Stalin was fully justified in sending assassins across the globe to murder his political opponents.

    People are fucking CRAZY.
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    New Statesman writes a smear twisting Corbyn's comments on immigration, and you get this (he'll get hundreds of retweets and likes by the end of the day, perhaps even a couple thousand if the likes of JK Rowling get in on the action):

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    Here is why that is a smear that's spreading like wildfire on twitter hell:

    "Between 2010 and 2014 I worked for the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants. Each year I booked the speakers for the AGM, I organised protests and pickets, I coordinated conferences, All aimed at opposing immigration controls, sometimes certain controls, sometimes categories of controls and sometimes all controls.

    Throughout that time I asked at least 20 Labour MPs to grace the platforms I worked to fill. Only four ever agreed: Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Diane Abbott and Neil Gerrard.

    Neil has since retired.

    When the New Statesman entitles articles suggesting JC has said that ''wholesale' EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers', to is a lie. Interestingly only the word 'Wholesale' is found in inverted commas because its the only word quoted in the constructed sentence used to headline the piece.

    Labour have never been the most progressive party on immigration. It is primarily because of the broad church of its membership and the influence of large trade unions upon policy. So a starting point of opposing the recruitment of low paid unskilled labour, heavily exploited and appallingly treated is a convenient and justifiable starting point. At the moment he is covering the positives to keep the party on board with the Corbyn project.

    If Labour is to have a pure and principled policy on immigration, with a starting point of free movement for all, then the left needs to make it possible. To win the unions over to such a position, to win the branches and the CLPs to the same, to win an argument in practice at all levels and not sit back and think that JC can snap his fingers and full communism will prevail.

    It's a bit sad to see so many decent socialists taking to their keyboards to condemn the stance of JC, as interpreted by a magazine that has been hostile to him since the start, while ignoring the facts which should be obvious to all.

    Corbyn as repeatedly said this isn't about him, a single person. it is about a movement, a rejection of the status quo, an energy for change in the age of imagination.

    I've heard JC talk on immigration more times than most. He is principled, unwavering and just about the best advocate for migrants you could wish for.

    When JC led an angry demo calling for Justice for Jimmy Mubenga to the doors of the Home Office on 12 November 2010, I didn't hear anyone lamenting his lack of principle on facebook. Nor on 9 July 2012 when he stood in the same place to welcome families divided by the draconian income restrictions imposed that day on 30,000 Anglo/Non-EU partnerships and families.

    Corbyn will be straight as a die on immigration when he can be. But given the circumstances at present, i cant see anyone else doing any better."

    https://www.facebook.com/guido.tallm...59344384950227
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    Yes, sure, Twitter is full of crap, but so is the rest of the Internet. That doesn't imply Twitter is irredeemably bad any more than it implies the Internet is 100% rubbish. There is plenty of great material on Twitter (for example, as we saw during the election, when we received up-to-the-minute results on Twitter, posted by Amoeba and me), as there is on the Web -- this Forum, for instance.

    This Forum can be 'hell' for a time, too. And look at how RevLeft degenerated. Does that malign all Forums forever?
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    The JC story has already been rubbished -- on Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/TheCanarySays/st...40031005261825
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    Yes I just wanted to post that Canary piece: The New Statesman accidentally printed some bullshit about Corbyn. So we thought we’d best correct it

    Of course twitter is not objectively "hell". Quite a few people enjoy it for a variety of reasons. I'm merely expressing why I (and I'm sure many others) don't.

    A very important aspect of that is that if it were not for twitter, I would not have known of the existence of people like Helen Lewis and Martin Robbins. And not knowing that makes one's life infinitely better and less hellish.
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    If so, why use Twitter?

    It reminds of that old joke:

    A man goes to see the doctor. He raises his arm and says it hurts when he does it.

    Doc: 'Stop doing it then!'
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