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    Lovely story.

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    YouGov Tables show that the 3% drop in Labour's prospective vote is explained by a 6% fall in the number of women polled:

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/sta...37001689370624
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    That seems to be saying that the fall is in women polled supporting labour, not the number of women polled?
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    No, I made a mistake; apparently it is a fall of 6% in the number of women who say they will vote Labour.
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    That's what I meant. Hilarious that Blairites are swarming to that and claiming it's because that Blairite hack resigned from the council because she wanted to further privatization.
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    Latest Westminster voting intention (12-13 Feb)
    Conservatives 40%
    Labour 41%
    Lib Dems 8%
    Other parties 11%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/964476858904477697
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    Here's the reason Labour are losing women's support:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8213576.html
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    Merrick is a right-wing lunatic and transphobe. Surprised to see you buying into that hysterical nonsense.
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    It also repeats the bullshit Tory narrative about Labour being "toxic", of course also trotting out the anti-semitism cottage industry.

    Again, really surprised you shared that obvious hit job, which by the way is just her admitted "gut feeling" about a 6% dip, a dip which is irrelevant as all poll results are, let alone just one that focuses on one segment of the population.

    She's pursuing an ideological agenda under the cover of "explaining" a non-existent phenomenon, and you appear to have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
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    I agree, but there is a real fight brewing in the Labour Party; long-standing Labour women and affiliated female Trade Unionists, died-in-the-wool socialists one and all, are up in arms over the party's developing stance on LGBTQ rights, some have even been expelled for defending feminism -- or for just defending the use of 'woman'! They are all being called TERFs, and are receiving death threats, their meetings disrupted, attendees attacked. Many are just leaving the party. Something similar is developing in the USA. The Tories are doing a jig.
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    "Merrick is a right-wing lunatic and transphobe. Surprised to see you buying into that hysterical nonsense."

    So, anyone who defends the rights women have fought for and won over the last century is a 'transphobe', eh? That looks like the Genetic Fallacy to me.
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    "some have even been expelled for defending feminism -- or for just defending the use of 'woman'!"
    Name one person who has been expelled for defending feminism or the use of "woman". You made the claim so it should be easy to name one.

    You can't, because this is a nonsense trope spread by Tories and TERFs.

    So, anyone who defends the rights women have fought for and won over the last century is a 'transphobe', eh?
    And what right is that? To limit the rights of trans women because they're not "real" women, like forcing them to use men's bathrooms and disallowing them from getting on all-women shortlists?

    That's Ted Cruz politics, and yes, if anyone else espouses that they should be expelled from the Labour Party. They are dangerous lunatics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa Lichtenstein View Post
    "Merrick is a right-wing lunatic and transphobe. Surprised to see you buying into that hysterical nonsense."

    So, anyone who defends the rights women have fought for and won over the last century is a 'transphobe', eh? That looks like the Genetic Fallacy to me.
    I am not sure how that is the Genetic Fallacy. I think the transphobia becomes rather apparent looking at the claims on their merits.

    Defending the rights of women is obviously not transphobic but claiming transgender people are somehow a threat to those rights certainly is. How is it going against women's rights to say those rights must apply to all women trans-women included? To exclude certain women looks an awful lot like going back a hundred years or more when the rights of women frequently only referred to middle class women.

    I looked at some of the comments, both on the article you posted, and elsewhere and of course it was stuff about how the transgender issue is not relevant at all and is only brought up because "a well funded lobby" is trying to push to make it acceptable and so on. For Heaven's sake, what does that sound like? Homosexuality is now too accepted by society here for the bigots to have a chance of winning that battle so they have moved right on to their next target and are employing the same strategy-unchanged from before.

    Incidentally as for the "Tories doing a jig" they have more or less the same position and are proposing that legal Gender classification be based on simple self-declaration on the Irish model. Tories being Tories the legislation is not high priority for England and Wales and is moving very slowly through Westminster but it will pass eventually. Meanwhile in Scotland it is being treated as high priority by the Government and has the support of all five Parties in the Scottish Parliament including the Tories. To see people supposedly on the left being more reactionary than the Tories is never a very heartening sight.

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    London local election voting intention:

    LAB: 54% (+16)
    CON: 28% (+2)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-6)
    UKIP: 2% (-7)

    via @YouGov, 12 - 15 Feb
    Chgs. w/ 2014 results

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...70924801695744
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 43% (+3)
    CON: 42% (+1)
    LDEM: 7% (-1)
    UKIP: 3% (-1)
    GRN: 2% (-1)

    via @ICMResearch

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...22001722867712
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