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    Ethno-socialism is one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, so there's not really a revelation there.
    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them.

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    One of them -- Richard Spencer -- got punched in the face on Saturday:

    The emancipation of the working class will be an act of the workers themselves.

    http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/index.htm

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    To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them.

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    Japan is not an "ethno-socialist" country. I understand that there is almost no gun violence in Japan. And very little serious crime. It is a mono-ethnic Capitalist Nation. Do these people actually call themselves socialists? Or Nationalists? Maybe they have a point. Gesellschaft without unity of mores is a kind of anomie. Which is not to say that they are correct, but that it is not very interesting to simply dismiss without comprehending more closely.

    It is hard to have a right way of life that acts as anything but a majority-tyrany. They have a strong point in saying that the right-way-of-life is being brutally imposed as a tyrany-of-the-majority who decide what is Just, and impose it remorselessly saying that everyone else is a bigot.

    Is there anyone who wouldn't admit that multi-culturalism is relay different color faces all under the same mores/practices as set by the planetary proffesorite & U.N. codes devised by the same? Isn't multi-culturalism one global culture?

    The reaction against the euphamism "multi-culturalism" is understandable. It allows people to say what they don't mean, to pretend to be for serious diversity of way of life, and to actually be for one view on the true way of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skhole View Post
    I understand that there is almost no gun violence in Japan.
    There are almost no guns in Japan.

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    I They have a strong point in saying that the right-way-of-life is being brutally imposed as a tyrany-of-the-majority ... by the planetary proffesorite & U.N. codes
    who are a majority?
    Einstein on marxology:
    "In the realm of the seekers after truth there is no human authority.
    Whoever attempts to play the magistrate there founders on the laughter of the Gods."

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    "There are almost no guns in Japan." That's true, but there is also little violence of any kind. The prison situation in America is perhaps a better way to make this point intelligible for one who wants to judge of the situation.

    "who are a majority?" Neo-liberal multiculturalists. It is relatively unimportant if they call themselves radicals, which most do, the "majority" in this sense is shown operatively by the recent presidential vote (which, of course, Trump lost by a grand margin). That's a historical trend; the multiculturalist idea has become powerful.

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    "who are a majority?" Neo-liberal multiculturalists. l.
    And the neoliberal multiculist majority are "the planetary proffesorite & U.N. codes"? That's a lot of professors.
    Welcome to the forum.
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    Are you distorting citations? Where did the "l." come from?

    "And the neoliberal multiculist majority are "the planetary proffesorite & U.N. codes"? That's a lot of professors. That's a lot of professors."
    Most elite professors, the most efficacious with respect to shaping the judgment of all the human beings on the earth, are Leftists. It's an empirical statement. U.N. is also a neo-liberal or Leftist organisation. Do you dispute it? Then why not say so directly instead of sneaking around behind an asinine hubris that everyone detects at once and sees through at once?

    I don't think I'll stay long,. I dislike debate forums, which seems to be the stance you and others take. Deliberation which makes every effort to understand what people say is much more worth while for everyone isn't it? Better for casting light on the situation as opposed to the persuasion or ideological convictions of the parties.

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    Are you distorting citations? Where did the "l." come from?
    I don't know what you're referring to. A typo?

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    Most elite professors, the most efficacious with respect to shaping the judgment of all the human beings on the earth, are Leftists. It's an empirical statement.
    You have complained about a "tyranny of the majority" but not even in the most favored land are professors in the majority, and "elite" professors are obviously not even a majority of the professoriat. What empirical evidence suggests that the judgment of billions is shaped by this elite cabal?

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    U.N. is also a neo-liberal or Leftist organisation.
    Do you dispute it?
    Americans don't pay much attention to the UN but if you have a list of leftists in it, then why not say so directly instead of sneaking around behind an asinine hubris that everyone detects at once and sees through at once?

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    Deliberation which makes every effort to understand what people say is much more worth for everyone isn't it?
    Yes, it would have been.
    Einstein on marxology:
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    Most elite professors, the most efficacious with respect to shaping the judgment of all the human beings on the earth, are Leftists. It's an empirical statement.
    You have complained about a "tyranny of the majority" but not even in the most favored land are professors in the majority, and "elite" professors are obviously not even a majority of the professoriat. What empirical evidence suggests that the judgment of billions is shaped by this elite cabal?

    Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t regard it as a “cabal”. It’s the prevailing intellectual atmosphere.

    One can see it from the fact of the views of the young. The young are overwhelmingly multiculturalist. And education is the next best barometer of belonging to this holding on what is essential to human life. Unless the young hold these views because they are young? But that is not so, since youths in former times never did.


    “Americans don't pay much attention to the UN but if you have a list of leftists in it,”

    The organization as such is Leftist or Progressive, progressing towards world government. By the fact of its existence. In the sense that Kant's reflections on world government were Leftist. And the Human Rights Declaration, its founding document, is. That’s a document suggesting world norms, which become world laws. World law is a progressive project by definition, since it doesn't yet exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skhole View Post
    Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t regard it as a “cabal”. It’s the prevailing intellectual atmosphere.
    Fair 'nuff

    Quote Originally Posted by Skhole View Post
    “Americans don't pay much attention to the UN but if you have a list of leftists in it,”

    The organization as such is Leftist or Progressive, progressing towards world government.
    Indeed. And it's progressive.

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    In the sense that Kant's reflections on world government were Leftist.
    which is to say, a tangential sense


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    World law is a progressive project by definition, since it doesn't yet exist.
    agreed
    Einstein on marxology:
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    Whoever attempts to play the magistrate there founders on the laughter of the Gods."

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